#it sucks but that's HB for you

[randomnameless]

@zeroabyss replied to your post “Tbf to the "how can Bernie hurt and kill Nabateans...”:

At some point story segregation is inevitable if they can’t properly convey feats into gameplay. Like Dimitri super strength shoul reasonably mean his str growth and cap is so absurd no one could reach it, but that wouldn’t be fair to the others would it? But at the same time they add more and more ridiculous feats that it SHOULD be that high, like how Hopes says he had strength training. In cold Faerghus. In Armor. While SWIMMING. At that point it’s absurd.

​It'd basically be Jugdral 2.0, but given how IS completely knelt in front of the Ayra wank to make Mareeta - a major crested carrier - apparently weaker than her, even in her "ascended" aka "peak" state, I'm afraid character wank will now always triumph over story integration in gameplay.

Jugdral - FE4 and even FE5 - wise basically tells her characters with major blood are demigods and their prowesses cannot be matched by regular people, or even people with minor HB. It sucks - Leif complains about this - but it's like that

(FE5 is all about Leif realising he can be a hero by doing heroic things, rather than merely being born with the right concentration of "magic blood")

End of her journey, aka, Ascended!Mareeta and base!Galzus already mastered Eclipse (since in FE5 Astra and Luna can be combined!) and, by virtue of having the highest concentration of "magic blood", are "stronger" than Ayra, just like Shanan is.

But Ayra wanking means if Leif had a pair of tits and was a tall woman with long black hair, he would handle lances better than his major blooded sister.

Tl;Dr : in FEH : popularity >>>>> FE Jugdral's lore and mechanics.

and I fucking hate it

[pibbzero]

been enjoying these gay beasts

[threefeline]

You ever see takes at first about something that you don't like and you're like "yeah I agree with this"

And then the takes just start to get so rabid and the hate so fervent towards actual people who like said media and you're like "wait I thought we were just ragging on a piece of mid media why are you telling people to kill themselves"

[nyxofdemons]

okay okay. now that ive got the complaining out of my system i do need to say. i recognize that expecting this show to be brilliant all the time is unfair and it IS important to recognize that its really fundamentally a small dark comedy spin off show. in fact i think one of the main reasons this show GETS so much hate is because the long wait between episodes builds up high expectations and fans want it to be amazing and groundbreaking the whole time (ive actually briefly mentioned this before. there's a whole essay in my drafts abt this rn)

all of that said. i WAS deeply disappointed by the episode unhappy campers, but i also recognize this is an episodic situational comedy show, and i'm not gonna hold it against the show or anything. this is very rambly i just. i think its very good and useful to be able to recognize that this show really can be hit or miss and you can be disappointed with it without having to devolve into critic and anti territory (i previously said i still thought it was a good episode, just not for me, but i have since changed my mind. i do think it was a bad episode actually. there were... crumbs? of it? that i thought were really good? but barely and even at this episode's best, NONE of it feels on par with the rest of the show. but again, expecting this show's best to be the STANDARD is not fair.)

i really don't know where i'm going with this i just want to point this out i guess bc i have never REALLY complained about this show before and i don't wanna come across as pessimistic or anti. but i don't think this was a good episode at all and that's alright

[quatregats]

Started rereading Midshipman and had the cursed thought that these are not too wildly different of a genre than the Railway Series (aka some offset of School Stories) and so you could definitely swap elements from either and still probably end up with a cohesive narrative

[moldybits]

i’ve hated that transphobic bitch for so long and i can’t wait for her to fucking crumble

[archivedblog16]

Lust is not about consent or art. It’s a perverse desire that controls you, like sex addiction you can’t stop yourself. Lust is TAKING, whether it sex, revenge or money, you COVET. Lust and gluttony go hand in hand, gluttony is unquenched LUST, lust is a constant GLUTTONY. Ozzie and Bee could’ve had a fun dynamic but instead they get into white girl middle school fights with mammon and tell him to suck a dick, and that no one wants to fuck him and get gross out when he eats. Why is every character in HB/HH just white girls in middle school?

Mammon, Bee, and Ozzie would be such a powerhouse group not only because of their high status but each of their sin corresponds with each other. You are so right Anon, majority of the characters (who are adults in their 30s or older) do unironically act like middle school teenagers.

In hindsight that scene was dumb. Yeah, we get Ozzie isn’t like Valentino and wants there to be consent but his succubi(s) (especially Verosika) make him look dumb. Verosika and her posse literally sexually assault Moxxie in Spring Broken.

[helluvabossrewrite45]

Helluva Boss and the Disappointing Asexual Representation - an Ace Former HB watcher

I am aromantic and asexual. I used to watch helluva boss during the 2020s when it first started. The internet was the only place where I got introduced to lgbt content and people for the first time, including queer media and helluva boss is one of them. I used to question my sexuality of being aroace, lesbian or bisexual until I finally accepted my identity as an aroace (full circle lol) While my aromanticism was easy to accept, Asexuality was a different story due to how the topic, you know, was around sex and it took more time for me to accept that I was also an asexual. Am I open about it? No. Unless you are one of my close friends, you wouldn't have a clue about my actual identity unless you know the labels for it. This is because with how predominant sex-normativity is, asexuality is often invisible to the wider length of society still, even when were more seen than before. And as someone with a queer identity most people wouldn't understand, I had seen the disguised bigotry people do to other queer identities that aren't as easily understood such as trans people, as they would be misgendered if their bad people. These people who misgender claim its for 'respect' but it's really a blatant excuse to openly be bigoted without backlash for it. It's not only the kind of bigotry that is prevalent within social media but also an extremely sneaky bigot method to avoid accountability.

Let's look at how this related to Mammon, an asexual character in HB:

On a surface level, this would just appear to be Bee insulting Mammon for being an asshole with the same connotations that is a well-known motif of the show; sexual references as the punchline. But Mammon being an asexual changes this viewpoint entirely. For one, Bee is ignoring his asexuality with using nobody wanting to fuck him as an insult even though his identity would immediately weakened it. Her sexual insults to him such as "sucking a dick" and "fucking himself" contribute to negating his asexuality even further. the "fucking yourself" aspect is particularly interesting because it frames him as self-centered. Now yes, Mammon is a self-centered character but his asexuality isn't relevant to this at all. By Bee relating his asexuality to his self-centeredness, unintentional or not, thereby reinforces the entitled notion of asexual people being selfish for lacking sexual attraction as if it wasn't out of their control and as if they owe allosexuals their body to be as "normal" as them. It wouldn't be a problem if mammon had openly show his asexuality proudly to rebut Bee's acephobic insults however, he doesn't. From not allowing the opportunity for Mammon to be open with his asexuality, it highlights helluva boss reinforcing invisibility of asexual people. In addition to this, this scene illustrates the disguised bigotry predominant on social media by Bee's acephobia being framed as justified by Mammon being a bad person, as if it related to his asexuality. Therefore, Helluva Boss failed at representing asexuals through contributing to our invisibility as well as encourage disguised bigotry.

Now, Mammon isn't the only asexual character.

Octavia, the only underage character with some significance, the character Rogers referred to as a 'cockblock' for Stolitz, is also asexual.

*Sigh

Her being underage isn't what bothered me. I'm also similar of age to her and young asexuals should be seen in media. Adult Allosexuals would often portray our asexuality as a phase and immature thing for the "real" mature experience later on. I only mentioned her being underage because of how this erasure of our identity by adults also applies to the later that actually bothered me: Rogers referring to her, an asexual minor, "cockblocking" an allosexual achillean relationship. Him referring to her as that is not only gross to say for a teenager that just wanted her father to pay more attention to his family than his affair but also how it can further isolates asexuals from the queer community. It reminded me of the terf comic where an ace was depicted as prudish, immature and whiny during pride month. Referring to her as a "cockblock" over an allosexual queer ship further reinforces these notions; that were too prudish, too immature, too whiny to be apart of the lgbt community, that we "get in the way" of ACTUAL queer people. And I'm worried that not only would her asexuality not even be shown in the show but also how her depiction in the series can reinforce acephobia because while she's not seen as bad as mammon, I know she would get hate in the upcoming episode and it worries me that there's gonna be acephobia involved, especially from how again, Roger depicts her as an obstable for Stolitz.

This show clearly wanted to do something similar to bojack. Vivziepop clearly likes bojack. And I find it very ironic because bojack is one of the few shows, especially at its time, that's one of the best ace representation. All through one character: Todd.

Unlike HB, Todd's asexuality is actually explored in the show. His acceptance of his asexuality, his explorations of his relationships with other aces (such as Yolanda and Maude) and even having him participate in an asexual space assists in making us aces visible, that we exist and are valid for who we are. There's no disguised bigotry, no joke that digs at his asexuality and definitely no implication that he's an obstacle for allosexual relationships. It's an ace character whose identity is recognized and respected in it's media, and that is what Helluva Boss fails at. Rather than letting asexual characters be as open of their sexuality as the other allosexual queer characters, it instead both ignores and even encourages bigotry towards us. That is what made HB's asexual representation to be disappointing from me, a closeted yet proud asexual.

Any of you who is asexual should be proud of your asexuality too. Your not prudish, immature, whiny or self-centered for lacking sexual attraction and you belong in the lgbt community. You don't owe anyone anything to prove your apart of the community because your existence already defies societal norms about sexuality. You are as queer as the rest in the community. You deserve representation that recognizes and validates you for who you are. You matter.

[sashathegirliepop]

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[lambjock]

like if there’s one thing i cannot stand in fandom it’s the people who label themselves critics and use big fancy words and show off their wikipedia definitions and claim they’re so much smarter than everyone and YET! they clearly are inflating characters or scenes in their favor and use buzzwords like ‘racist’ ‘fetishizing rape’ ‘abusive’ and ‘homophobic’ to win their arguments … they will look canon in the eye, the good and the bad, and completely obliterate any nuance while claiming that they’re being Super Realistic actually! genuinely these people are just glorified haters who adorn the title of critics to try and pretend that they’re approaching media with a neutral, critical eye when they are, in fact, just bitching about everything ever. on god have some damn positivity once in a while! and GENUINELY stop spinning narratives that aren’t real to fuel your own biased world view when you already have valid shit to bitch and whine about. smh

girl i don’t like stolas as much as the next guy but some of you fans seriously need to shut tf up about how much you hate him …. some of you look SILLY with how much you accuse this fictional bird man of irl crimes 😭

[angelshizuka]

I noticed how anti-Vivziepop hatedom are is performative and meaningless activism. Knights in shinning armor fighting for the ethnics and protection of fictional characters, while harrassing and dehumanizing real people.

"Viv fetishizes gay men!" say antis ignoring the two queer men that also write the show, and also ignoring that all mlm couples are normal couples just like any other straight narrative

"Viv hates women!" say antis that proposely ignore everything good about her female characters, instead choose to excuse a character that is supposed to be an abuser and a villain (Stella), while hating Vivienne, a queer woman, and using sexist slurs like whore, bitch and others to insult her. Also Viv is a queer woman

"Viv doesn't care about SA victims!" say antis that unvalidate SA victims that related to Angel and Stolas

"Viv writes problematic characters and jokes!" say antis that praise everything Brandon Roggers do, despite it being the same type of joke

"Viv hates fat people!" Vivienne is literally chubby. Like, I know it sucks to talk about someone's body this way, but come on. Are they blind? Wishing there were more bodily diversity is one thing, this is completely different.

"Viv is excusing Stolas's actions! She's racist and classist!" no she isn't. Stolas is facing the consequences of his actions. He is flawed, but he is also a victim of many people and circunstamces. Also, he is a fictional character, the way Viv writes him doesn't define who she is.

"Viv treats her employees badly!" says the antis that harrass VA, make them sign prints of triggering videos unvalidating trauma, and harrass storyboard artists for writing canonical relationships that are in the show

"Viv is racist(?) for some reason idk" says the antis that ignore all her poc characters and her own identity as a Hispanic creator. HB constantly mocks US, specially LA, but because of one short representing another country (Mexico) in a funny steriotypical way like many other media do, then suddenly her whole culture and identity disappears

It's all about performative activism. Pretending to care when you actually don't, just for likes, attention and egocentrism. They fight for this sanitized space that queer people MUST fit in or else they're predators, creeps, evil, etc... this type of "activism" backfires and end up being extremely nasty.

Honestly, I have nothing more to add, you worded it perfectly!

[trashogram]

hi pookie i’m the one who asked for spare smut, anything hazbin/HB (especially luci) is much appreciated 🫶

I’m sorry for the late response. And that it’s not the best ❤️

—*—

“You… don’t have to…” Lucifer trailed off with a nervous chuckle.

His face was flush with dark gold, like saffron against his abnormal pallor. It was adorable, almost enough to make you break character.

You looked up at him from between his legs, hoping your expression was coy as your hands massaged the top of his thighs.

“But I want to.” You assured him, hands sliding toward his center.

Lucifer keened as he was released from the confines of his trousers. He’d been hard since arriving at your summons (what you had jokingly decided to refer to as your calls for him to come up and make love to you). The sound of your voice had a Pavlovian Effect on him that not even the fires of your shoddy apartment furnace could limpen.

Your hand wrapped around him, palm already slick. “I’ve wanted to for a while.”

Lucifer choked. “H-have you?”

The smile that curved your lips was sinful. You kissed the tip of his cock, leaking before you had laid a finger on him. A strangled sound erupted from the King’s throat as you continued down the length of him in lieu of responding.

The Devil vibrated in his seat, claws sinking into the arms of the chair that you had backed him into. Try as he might, Lucifer couldn’t bring himself to stifle the pathetic sounds you stroked out of him. He could hear himself whining like a dog.

Your concentrated expression was mesmerizing, only outdone by the slip of your tongue. You lapped at his cock curiously, seeing the strain of Lucifer’s thighs as he seized up from the corner of your eye.

It was challenging to not stop and soothe him with affection. Hell’s King was not simply receptive, he was incredibly theatrical. His reaction to just a smidgeon of attention was always loud in some fashion. You couldn’t let it distract you.

Without warning, you wrapped your lips around him and sucked.

“FfffuCk!” Lucifer yelped, head falling back.

The brim of his hat slid down, covering half of his flushed face. The laugh you couldn’t push back came out muffled, sensation forcing Lucifer to buck up, sliding further down your throat.

You gagged, hands clutching at the fabric of his pants. He was short in stature, but Lucifer wasn’t lacking beneath the belt. It took a moment to stay the wild beat of your heart and remember to breathe through your nose.

Lucifer was still groaning in between croons of your name, over and over. The sound, melodic even in his desperation, went straight to your cunt. You shifted on your knees to address the sticking of your own panties, all while letting saliva pool in your mouth. Drool ran down your chin as you edged downward to take more of him in, as much as you could, before pulling off.

Your lover trembled as he tried to raise the brim of his hat, pupils blown wide.

He straightened, grabbing for you.

“Up, up, up!” He hurried, heedless of your confusion. You couldn’t ask questions as you were hauled up from the floor and sat on Lucifer’s lap. He fumbled to push your panties aside and impale you on his cock, leaving you no time to gasp before he was shoving you down to the hilt.

Lucifer held your hips in a vice, pounding into you madly until stars burst before your eyes.

“‘M sorry! I didn’t think I’d make it! I didn't - couldn't — you’re mouth ‘s too good! S’good — FU-CKing SH — ahhhh baby! Angel! I n-nn-eed t’ cum-mm ins—!!!” Lucifer spluttered. “Mijn liefje! Nire Zerua! T-tafadhali! ¡Déjame llenarte!”

Your mouth opened in a soundless scream as heat surged through your core, thick cum painting your fluttering walls.

Claws ran through your hair as the Devil gently pulled your head down and into his neck. He’s slumped into the chair, still breathing heavily as he hugged your still winded, shaking form to him.

[zanysmurf]

"nanny smurf appeared out of nowhere with no explanation for why she exists" fair enough. i dont get why the wiki page links to sassette when it's more obvious he was talking about nanny. sassette is a girl (not a grown woman) with a clear origin in the show and they would've known that if they watched every episode multiple times. "smurf soup" ok eating smurfs is certainly part of the triad of gargamel motivations in the cartoon. but not the one i'd personally focus on for a movie. was gargamel being powerful/competent "what really goes on in that castle"?

what i'm wondering about is. the wiki said the third movie was going to go over the origin of the smurfs and gargamel conflict (once again going off the cartoon because the smurfnapper comic is right there)... but. gargamel's time trip. and it's a time travel story 🤔 just like what we know about smurfs 3. so i'd say it was loosely inspired or became less inspired by it over time because that ep's lore isn't very movie-worthy

i'd assume the origin of the smurfs (and at least like. some of gargamel's family history) that kerner and such had planned in the 2000s was on full display or heavily retooled for that script draft that got leaked for that movie before it was turned into lost village. there's even a female smurf that came before smurfette in that script (no relation to nanny)

[chaifootsteps]

Not viv trying to act like a social activist with HB, lol. “A show about rising from the world wants you to be” It’s a show about a shitty toxic relationship where the lower class is coerced by the rich elitist into sex so his and the employees livelihood isn’t fucked with. Even that speech where blitz is the court yelling about a hierarchy that doesn’t matter because in the end it’s all about stolas. He’s saved because the rich owl man saved his life and they try to portray stolas as a tragic hero instead of the rapist who’s getting his comeuppance

side note but this is why alot of SA survivors don’t like the rep in HH/HB because of characters like stolas. coercion is rape especially when someone is in control of a persons livelihood how they make their money and if you don’t do this you won’t get this, that’s blackmail. Brandon acknowledges and even lets his tongue slip that it was coercion and stolas objectified blitz. However viv doesn’t wanna address it but gets hostile and angry when SA survivors point this out.

They turned striker a working class into a villain and an idiot because he wants to kill the higher class but also works for them and is called a supremacist and worse than them. As if IMP and fizz weren’t doing the exact same shit, they ALL depend on the higher class for survival. If anything the show is trying to conform the lower class into believing as long as the rich are “the good ones” it’s ok to be in their servitude. Mammon wasn’t a “good one” because he was mean and fat.

It's a show about becoming exactly what the world wants you to be and how you're a bad person for not literally sucking off the rich. No wonder HH runs on Amazon Prime, Bezos probably took one look at Viv's stuff and his chair got wet.

[blossomthepinkbunny]

Talking about Adam and the villians of HB

Adam is such a dissapointing villain for Hazbin Hotel that absolutely doesn't make use of the great opportunities they had for the bad guy of this project. Like, what is Adam? A sexual, irrational, rockstar asshole who kills demons for fun and is shown to be completely idiotic and unable to make any good point for his actions. And that sucks.

Atleast to me, them making Adam an irredeemable asshole type just seems like the show acknowledging that they can't take any actual feedback on Charlies idea. He is a strawman who never really gets to be anything else until his final moments, when they want you to care about his fight. The show doesn't want you to actually think critical about what Charlie has planned it just wants you to think she is right, by making you hate Adam, by making his side actively carry out genocide. The fact that a show all about revealing that people have layers and presenting seemingly morally grey areas in them has a villian who is completely one note and just evil and irrational because the show needs him to be is not great.

There are actual things that can be criticized about the Hotel and the idea of redeeming sinners, but Adam can't call any of these out because then Charlie would have to defend herself, which she can't do and then you would realize that the writers couldn't think of arguments for why she is right. And then Charlie would come off as not as great as they want you to think she is.

What if he had called out the fact that genuinely no demon seems to give a shit about being a better person. We don't get a definitive time for how long Charlie has been working on the Hotel but we can assume that it has been atleast a little longer. We see her advertise her idea on the news in the pilot and the Hotel makes an advertisement in the first episode, so we know that it's pretty open information that a place where demons can redeem themselves exist. Yet in the entirety of the pilot, season one and however much time lays between the two, only two sinners came to the hotel to change (im not counting staff members because they are there to work, not to be redeemed).

Angel Dust and Sir Pentious are the only ones who came to stay, which either means that just no other sinner cares to be better or that Charlie is not taken seriously and that her hotel is viewed as stupid in concept alone. And you have to remember that even these two didn't initially join because they genuinely wanted to change.

Angel just decided to stay because it was a cheap place to live where he wouldn't have to see Val. And while Pentious does decide he wants to be better, we don't know if he would have even done that, had it not been for the agreement he made with Vox (which made him come to the hotel with bad intentions in the first place).

Why doesn't Adam get to point out that sending Sinners to heaven might be a bad idea when there are probably people that they hurt or may have even killed up there. Like, Angel Dust was in the Mafia and you can assume that he has quite the killcount and it's very possible that some of his victims are in heaven. That goes for every other demon too, they're down there for a reason. And while sometimes that reason might be something stupid or irrelevant, just giving every demon the benefit of the doubt and a chance to get to heaven (in theory) seems pretty irresponsible.

That is also completely ignoring the fact that Charlie's method has no proof of even working. Seemingly in the entirety of hell existing no sinner has ever redeemed themselves and went to heaven until Sir Pentious, which was mostly an accident as well.

I'm not saying Adam had to be likeable or relatable, but it's pretty obvious that they made him so hateable just because. He can't just be an obnoxious, sexist asshole because that's not blatantly evil enough apparently. He also has to commit genocide for no reason other than that he enjoys it. Again, im not saying his genocide should be excusable, but he should have a reason that isn't presented as him just doing it for fun because hes a jackass (he should have a reason that would make what he is doing okay in his own eyes where the viewer could understand how he views the world without having to agree necessarily).

Writing evil characters who are purely bad because they just are can work. But in my opinion that shouldn't be the main villian, especially not in a show where the central idea is supposed to be discussing morality and moral greyness.

Cioccolata from Jjba is a villian where this works in my opinion. He is just evil and Araki really plays that up. He isn't just a crazy doctor type who violently experiments on people for fun, his backstory also shows that he has been doing this since he was 14 and started with driving elders to suicide. And also he films everything he does because he just likes watching people suffer. Cioccolata really is just irredeemably crazy and sadistic but it works for him because he is just a side antagonist and therefore doesn't have the burden of playing as a direct counter to our main protagonist and because for all his immoral actions he still has philosophy behind that. A fucked up philosophy but an understandable (not excusable) one nonetheless. He explaines that in his eyes people can only experience true happiness from two situations. Either when your own despair is replaced with hope, or when one watches other people fall into despair themselves. In his eyes, the more people he watches die, the more he understands the human race and the stronger he gets, which leads into another aspect of his philosophy, which is that the strong have have the right and responsibility to rule over the weak. That is why I think he works.

We actually get some insight into Adams deeper character motivation in his last moments. When he gets upset that the demons aren't just falling at his feet, worshipping him, even though he is the original man all life came from. And that would be a good idea to expand on, that Adam has this intense sense of entitlement that leads him to despise the demons because he doesn't have power over them, when he feels like he should. And because a crowd of people that don't worship him, feels threatening to him, he would want them gone as to not possibly risk his position of power with their ideas.

That could be the reason for why he despises Charlie, because she is a demon who makes her own plans to save her people, which would mean they could start to follow her and work with her, rather than idolizing him. Something like that would work so well for his character and would fit this saviour attitude that some religious people have when "helping" atheists by recommending that they should be religious to make all their problems dissapear or something (no shade to people who genuinely find peace and safety in their religion I think that's actually great but it's not a solution for everybody). The last moments he has give great insight into what his character could've been, had they focused on this, rather than always just having him say how much he enjoys killing demons for no reason.

And in the song he has he also nearly approaches giving another possible reason for his actions (that being that he just doesn't care because demons already had their chance to be good, didn't choose that and now don't deserve a second chance), but that is also never expanded on and is pretty much ignored throughout the season.

Also I find it interesting that Adam has to be completely and irredeemably evil, hated by everyone, while Lucifer gets away with just letting the people he is supposed to rule die like it's nothing. Lucifer didn't to anything to stop the exterminations, he didn't contact his daughter in quite some time and actively mocks her idea when first meeting her after these months of not giving a shit for her or what she does (her idea that is supposed to save his people from literal death btw).

We see him easily finish Adam off in the finale which begs the question for why he just never cared to do anything before. But it's fine because he's just so silly and goofy and actually cares a lot for Charlie say's the show. That is why he gets to be redeemed in the same episode he appeared in for the first time and no one is allowed to question him because then you're just not nice and understanding.

Lucifer didn't have to like sinners. I think his approach of basically leaving the sinners to their own devices is pretty interesting. But HH wants you to hate Adam and like Lucifer without acknowledging that people who just watch bad stuff being done without doing anything about it are also shitty. And for Lucifer it seems extra shitty because we see he can literally just defeat Adam and he just didn't do anything for this whole time.

Helluva Boss has this problem too where it picks characters it wants you to like and if you don't like them then you're just wrong. And therefore no villian gets to call these characters out without being shown to be either stupid, irrational or mean.

Striker was genuinely interesting and cool when he first appeared. He was an antagonist who had understandable goals that tied in well with the trajectory of the story. The classism in hell's society is a pretty relevant theme for HB. We see that Blitzø has to sleep with Stolas to be able to even do his job and earn a living, we see Imps just being tossed around and abused and hear Stolas say stuff like "impish little plaything" to Blitzø. Striker wanting to take the demons of high rank down to make hell better for the Imps by ending classism made sense and was an interesting take to see. Especially since at that point the show didn't insist on Stolas being this misunderstood good guy who just cares soo much for Blitzø, there was a sense of suspense maybe to watch wether or not Blitzø will go along with Striker or if this interaction might influence how he views his clearly predatory "relationship" with Stolas.

But all of that got thrown out the window because in s2 we just can't have people criticise Stolas, since actually acknowledging the fact that he benefited and actively made use of hells classist system would mean that we wouldn't see him as a poor confused bean anymore and that one might actually think of some of the pretty bad implications the Stolitz relationship has. So now Striker is a completely obvious, self obsessed bad guy who loves himself so much that he monologues about how great he feels when torturing Stolas instead of just killing him while they also gave him a weird gimmick where he doesn't like it when someone makes a sexual remark and gets so upset that he drags out Stolas' killing and gets defeated by Millie and Moxxie because of it (the same guy was established as a great assassin in another episode).

They also removed all the backbone to his ideology. He still talks about Stolas diminishing Imps in "Western Engery" but it lacks any point because they have gone so far with woobifying Stolas that he is presented as sympathetic and Striker as bigoted. Striker also acts like he can't kill Stolas because Stella called off the assassination on him. I get him being upset that he won't get his money for the kill but he still has very clear reasons for why he would want Stolas dead regardless (atleast he had when he was still a cool character). It's not like suddenly not being hired anymore would make a big change for him.

Killing Stolas could have consequences because Stolas is royalty, but these consequences always existed for him even while Stella was requesting the assassination. Stella would obviously not want others to know that she is reponsible for Stolas dying (then again we don't know if that would even matter since demons generally don't care about killing others until it's plot relevant) and the point of an assassin is that people are killed in a way that can't be tracked back to someone, so Striker should also not face issues, especially since he is apparently a really good and threatening assassin.

Striker was interesting until the show decided it liked Stolas too much for people to call him out and be presented as reasonable. Stella was turned into just an abusive, whiny and stupid bitch who just hates Stolas and wants his money instead of acknowledging that she pretty much has the same backstory as Stolas, who we are constantly told to feel bad for because of his childhood (arranged marriage, forced to have a child and a set-up relationship neither of them wanted).

Verosika is really not relevant but usually also falls into the "bitchy and just rude" category because she doesn't like Blitzø (it's not as bad for her as it is with Stella but still). Asmodeus and Fizzarolli where really mean and exposed and embarrassed Stolas and Blitzø publicly. But the next time we see Asmodeus interact with Stolas he is just chill with him? Why? Blitzøs and Fizzarollis relationship was atleast handled in a way and we see him act rude towards Blitzø until they make up. But it still followes the theme of people who dislike Stolas and Blitzø either changing their mind or just being shown to be horrible to make their opinion seem invalid (also notice how these male characters in the story get to be forgiven for how they acted and show different sides to their character while the women are reduced to being bitchy).

Barbie Wire was also handled soo bad. She only appears in the last few minutes of her début episode and never gets to talk about specifically why she doesn't want to have contact with Blitzø in the first place. The focus is mostly on how hurt he is by the fact his Sister wants nothing to do with him, even after he worked soo hard to find her and just wanted to make things right with her soo bad. They also basically made her a groomer which just doesn't help her come off as reasonable at all.

For a show that wants it's main characters to do bad stuff and have to deal with being called out for that it surely doesn't like people actually calling them out.

The double standards applied to the villians as opposed to the "good guys" are also just amazing. Like Millie and Moxxie can complain about Chaz being a bad partner in hindsight, but when Verosika talks about Blitzø being selfish in their relationship it's all about how he feels. Loona literally throwing stuff at Blitzø, hurting him just because he dared to carefully point out a true fact about her behaviour is played for laughs, but Stella abusing Stolas is super duper evil and we all hate her now (not saying it isn't bad but the show shouldn't pick and choose who is funny when abusive and who is evil when abusive). The I.M.P taking out random people because they were paid to is fine, but Striker attacking Stolas after being hired is bad just because he also happens to have a (understandable) motiv for why he would want to do it regardless of his job and because Stolas just so happens to be a main character. Blitzø and Loona commenting on Moxxies weight is funny, but when Mammon remarks that Fizzarolli gained a few pounds he is just bad.

That's just my opinion on some of the antagonists in HH and HB. Mammon is pretty much the only villian I really care for in both shows (also Stella and Striker before they got ruined). I mainly think antagonist are either really underused (Vox, Velvette, Verosika) or were just incredibly mishandled (Adam, Striker, Stella). Part of this post was just an excuse to talk about Jjba tho, which I always love.

[darlin-collins]

"how does it feel to be the only normal sam fan?"

"in a country full of horny bitches i wear it like a fucking badge of honor!"

"didn't you say you wanted to 'suck his co- drink his can' the first HBS you had of him?"

"WHO THE FACK SAID THAT-!?"